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<font face="Courier New">Hello, especially the beginning of the
Pirate-meeting yesterday </font>might be interesting for you.
This group is all about interconnecting different tools.<br>
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<td>[Ag Meinungsfindungstool] [STATUSINFO] Piratenpartei
Deutschland - AG Meinungsfindungstool - Mumble Treffen
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<td>Thu, 4 Oct 2012 09:58:55 +0200</td>
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<td>marc <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:marc@merkstduwas.de"><marc@merkstduwas.de></a></td>
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an: </th>
<td>marc <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:marc@merkstduwas.de"><marc@merkstduwas.de></a>,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ag-meinungsfindungstool@lists.piratenpartei.de">ag-meinungsfindungstool@lists.piratenpartei.de</a></td>
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<td>merkst Du was?</td>
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<td>Piraten AG Meinungsfindungstool
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ag-meinungsfindungstool@lists.piratenpartei.de"><ag-meinungsfindungstool@lists.piratenpartei.de></a>, AG
Liquid Democracy
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ag-liquid-democracy@lists.piratenpartei.de"><ag-liquid-democracy@lists.piratenpartei.de></a></td>
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<td><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:info@liqd.net">info@liqd.net</a>, Metagovernment Project
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:start@metagovernment.org"><start@metagovernment.org></a></td>
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<pre>Ahoi,
Yesterday our spontaneous mumble session took place. Main topic was
"Presentation of various Concepts and Ideas regarding Opinion Forming".
The notes to the session can be found here:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://meinungsfindungstool.piratenpad.de/2012-10-03-Notizen">http://meinungsfindungstool.piratenpad.de/2012-10-03-Notizen</a>
We also recorded the session and you can download the audio here:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://bayfiles.com/file/mUgZ/1IjnH9/Mumble-2012-10-03-21-20-04-mumble.piratenpartei-nrw.de-Mixdown.mp3">http://bayfiles.com/file/mUgZ/1IjnH9/Mumble-2012-10-03-21-20-04-mumble.piratenpartei-nrw.de-Mixdown.mp3</a>
WHAT HAPPENED?
After a short round of introductions to each attendee, Slash gave a short
overview of the current status of our working group 'AG
Meinungsfindungstool': he expressed, that from our point of view, the
process of decision-making can be seperated into three interacting systems:
Information, Discussion and Decision System. Our working group deals with
all questions regarding the Discussion System.
Then we talked about the intention of coming together and the current
problems we face with Liquid Feedback and other tools of this genre.
The highlight of the session was definetely Pietros presentation of Vilfredo
goes to Athens (Vilfredo.org), especially the concept of Pareto Front. This
is a realy amazing tooling for automated moderation of discussions. But with
some drawbacks also.
You should listen to our audio recording to learn more about the concept and
ideas Pietro talked about!
WHAT IS COMING NEXT?
We plan to have a single session for each concept or idea to be presented.
The main intention is to get closer in touch with different projects and
learn more about other concepts and iedeas.
WHEN WE MEET AGAIN?
The next session is coming on Monday, 8th October 2012 at 9.30pm (CET+2). In
this session Ronald is giving us a deep inside into his concept of
"Democracy 2.0".
If you have any queries, don't hesitate to contact our working group!
Cheers
marc
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From: Alexander Praetorius
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 5:38 AM
To: Piraten AG Meinungsfindungstool ; AG Liquid Democracy
Cc: Michael Allan ; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:samuelcarlisle@gmail.com">samuelcarlisle@gmail.com</a> ; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:support@lqfb.piratenpartei.de">support@lqfb.piratenpartei.de</a>
; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:info@liqd.net">info@liqd.net</a> ; Metagovernment Project ; Daniel Reichert
Subject: Re: [Ag Meinungsfindungstool] Piratenpartei Deutschland - AG
Meinungsfindungstool - Mumble Treffen (Demokratietool Evaluation)
We decided to meet on wendsday (that's TODAY!) at 21.00 (9pm) german local
time. That UTC+2
The meeting will take place in the mumble chatroom of AG
Meinungsfindungstool on pirate parties
Server: mumble.piratenpartei-nrw.de Port: 64738 (standard) User:
Passwort:Praxis2012
The agenda will be created ad hoc and depends on who wants to present which
software tool or what other questions or issues will arise.
I would suggest everybody will introduce themselves.
So hope to see many of you this evening.
best regards
alex
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