Direct democracy

[/pd]

Hi Michael,

Ok that thanks for the update. Interesting that this slipped past my
radar !!

I'll head back to the drawing board wrt to community. I remember the
issue about the the US. GOV rendering a decesion  about the 10
commandants artifact on one of their judicial doorsteps..there was
some major discussions about that one. Need to digg  back to find i.

First things first, I'll go and sign up to see whats the app side,
play around and do some ingestion of current state.

==>> "that people don't understand the social implications of *broad
consensus*, not even in the political sphere.  And that's the
conceptual key."

How are you defining "social implications" and what is "broad
consensus" ?

The quadrants /matrix build now makes more sense to me. Stay tuned.

/pd


On Feb 29, 5:19 am, Michael Allan <m... at zelea.com> wrote:
> > I am out of the loop and need to bootstrap myself. I trolled in here
> > from the TorCampers.
>
> > Is this the same s/w that was dev'ed during the last startup camp ?
>
> Hi /pd,
>
> You're thinking of Brill Pappin's (et al.) LobbyThem?
>
>  http://startupweekend.com/eight-startups-created-a-recap/
>
> LobbyThem has some similarity to Votorola, but is more specialized.
> LobbyThem is a petition system.  It enables communities to initiate
> and advance petitions to the government.  Wheras Votorola is a
> general-purpose electoral system.  It enables communities to initiate
> and advance ballot nominations, petitions, policy positions, and
> legislative bills -- among other things.
>
> It's these other things that prompted my post to TorCamp.  I recently
> realized that consensus could form on cultural objects in general, not
> just on political ones.  So culture (objects of art, science,
> engineering, religion, you name it) could form one-half of the overall
> architecture, joined by the keystone of community consensus to the
> political half.  This is significant, because cultural artifacts can
> capture people's imaginations and express their long-term goals; goals
> that politics can then attain.
>
>    -------------------------------
>   |              |                |
>   |              |                |
>   |   Economy    |     Polity     |
>   |              |                |
>   |              |                |
>   |              |                |
>   |-------------------------------|
>   |              |                |
>   |              |                |
>   |   Culture    |    Societal    |
>   |              |    Community   |
>   |              |                |
>   |              |                |
>    -------------------------------
>
> But I've also realized, recently, that people don't understand the
> social implications of *broad consensus*, not even in the political
> sphere.  And that's the conceptual key.  Do you remember, /pd, when
> you posted this link to TorCamp, as the "best online book promo"?
>
>  http://managinghumans.com/
>
> It made me realize that storytelling is a good way to explain new
> concepts.  So I began to use stories in my own posts to technical
> forums, and it worked!  People immediately understood me.  Then, when
> I went back to technical or theoretical terms, I immediately lost
> them. :(
>
> In the next couple of days, I'll try the same trick on Votorola's home
> page.  I'll try to engage the casual reader in a story, the story of
> how consensus changes things.  (Then I'll post it to writer's forums,
> and beg them to help me improve it! :)
>
> --
> Michael Allan
>
> ttp://zelea.com/